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Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Blue Evertonian — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:12:04 -0000

You know what Raatzie, you are completely off base. READ my post twat! Did I say
"Non-Englanders are clueless"?? I most certainly DID NOT! Where the hell did you get that? You are clueless for sure. Stop making up sentences and then accuse me of saying them! Your arguments are just plain silly. You must be around 12 by the sounds of it. Grow up!

OK ... I am done with you ... I will not argue anymore with someone who reacts irrationally to anything remotely criticizing HIS beliefs concerning LFC.

Say anything you like about Everton. I may or may not agree with you but whichever way you go I will not put words in your mouth or make idiotic statements and then accuse you of saying them.

By the way "clueless". I am not an "Englander" .... I am Canadian.

Gaffer why don't you close this post ..... it is getting a bit silly!

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Raatzie — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:03:06 -0000

I don't know how to have a rational discussion.

I don't live in England.

P.S. If non-Englanders are clueless, release Tim Howard.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Blue Evertonian — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:15:00 -0000

See!! I was hoping for a discussion, instead I get abuse .... sigh. I rest my case.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Raatzie — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:10:17 -0000

So all those Liverpool fans throughout Europe and Asia, as well as the US, who have never been to England are just clueless, huh?

What an ignorant point of view.

Oh, wait. You're an Everton fan.

So I'm being redundant.

Enjoy being the New York Mets of the Prem for the next hundred years.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Blue Evertonian — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:08:07 -0000

Kartic said:

"Gaffer, now you understand why so many of us are almost scared of liverpool fans."

Ahhhh .... so true Kartic. Perhaps scared is the wrong word though.

Being from Merseyside I have some very strong opinions but realize I may be somewhat prejudiced in my comments . Like any club Liverpool have a percentage of supporters who cannot take ANY criticism (or even non positive discussion) of their club (usually ones who couldn't show you Stanley Park on a map) but truly Liverpool FC do seem to have more than most.

I grew up in the midst of the Liverpool - Everton rivalry in the 70's and 80's. Both sets of fans are passionate but Liverpool's (perhaps because of numbers) tend to be less tolerant of ANYTHING said against the club.

I know Everton are having a terrible time this year on and off the pitch but if you said that to me Kartic (and gave me your opinions as to why), I would probably agree with you and have a conversation about it. I think most Evertonians (at least the ones I know) would react somewhat the same way.

Like I said, I have found that most of these Reds who react that way have never been to England let alone Anfield.

Keep up the "criticism" please Kartic! (On any team)

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

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Noon — Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:39:49 -0000

Liverpool got some way to go. Yes the lethality is missing, the tenacity is missing. Only the will is trong but spirit lacking. This was how Liverpool flopped when they met ManU last season and was walloped 3-0. Liverpool has got to be ruthless.

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Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Bobby — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:32:29 -0000

Sorry mate, you have obviously have just started following football, how can two games determine a season? These are games Liverpool would have lost or drawn last year, that is in fact an improvement. Last year when UTD started with two draws and a defeat I'm sure you were here telling everyone how they would never win the league??

I'm also surprised there is a EPL site based in Oram, Utah

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

kkfla737 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:56:59 -0000

Glad to know you follow the USMNT. Will lay off you then :)

My issue is with American Premier League fans who follow England and not our national team!

These people think england is the US team.

You make an interesting point about American exceptional ism. Hofstadter many years ago wrote about this as an immigrant from europe in terms of individual behavior and societal norms and I must admit I had never heard that argument but you may have won me with that.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Raatzie — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:22:42 -0000

"If Liverpool keeps on playing like they did against Sunderland and Boro, . . ."

. . . they'll get to 114 points and win the Prem easy.

Should they stop winning, however, they could have a problem.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

The Gaffer — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:15:22 -0000

If Liverpool keeps on playing like they did against Sunderland and Boro, there's no way they'll win the Premier League title.

Sure, they won both games but they could have easily lost both matches. Yes, there's a long way to go in the season.

Liverpool desperately needs to improve. Otherwise their Premier League race could be over by the end of October.

Cheers,
The Gaffer

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Django — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 21:08:09 -0000

It just seems like there is an underlying assumption that there is something wrong with the American view on sports--a tired argument, sure, but what exactly is wrong/peculiar about our sporting tastes? It's basically negative American exceptionalism. I have a hard time being shamed into accepting being American means I am inherently naive/incorrect about my views on sports. In the same way that other cultures follow cricket or rugby, Americans like the NFL and MLB. No crime, just different tastes. Incidentally, I do follow the USMNT, admittedly not as closely as Liverpool, but I watch when I can and enjoy it as a fan of US sports in general.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

kkfla737 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:22:56 -0000

Soccer? You mean Football? Okay we can call it Soccer although I'm becoming more and more anglicized as time goes on realizing that the term soccer also implies different rules and priorities around the game than the term football implies.

Within the US they all matter. I'm a season ticket holder and lifetime (going back to the early 1980s) College Football fan. But worldwide, no one cares.

Worldwide here is what matters:

Rugby is massive in some nations. Cricket matters. Golf and Tennis matter. Formula 1 matters. Basketball doesn't, because people aren't passionate about it outside the US. Other nations may produce good basketball players but most don't care. They made such a big deal about the woman's basketball gold today beating the Aussies, and I was thinking, does anyone in Australia even care? Likely not.

Ice Hockey matters but since the Olympics became a professional and massive event in the sport the US hasn't fared as well as we'd like.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Chris — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:00:40 -0000

Kartik, just out of my own curiosity, what sports, other than soccer, do you think matter?

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

kkfla737 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:00:10 -0000

I exempt College Football and Basketball fans from my general commentary about American sporting culture. Maybe that's why I still follow college sports as closely as international football but have written off every professional american sport. In my mind when guys leave college and go to the NBA or NFL they've retired like for those in Mexico who assume players have retired when they come to MLS! (True stories, about C. Lopez, and J.M Abundis!)

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

kkfla737 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:58:36 -0000

Django, do you follow the US National Team or are you just a liverpool fan? I'm not insulting anyone, I'm super yank in a way but bemoen our lack of competitive spirit in sports that matter. So yeah, maybe I am insulting us, but how can you argue otherwise when Americans are so peculiar in their sporting tastes based on our isolation thanks to the big pond(s) and a simple arrogance of many especially our media.

Even the Olympics aren't that big a deal in most countries: trust me I've traveled all over Europe and 90% of the people would watch a random football match over ANY olympic event.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Django — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:46:24 -0000

Insulting my country and nationality is not a great way to get me to agree.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

kkfla737 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:42:06 -0000

Django honestly if you go back and compare the comments on posts related to Liverpool on this site compared to posts related to any other subject we have this sort of visceral reaction. I agree with the above post about 3 points as opposed to style points. I've made that very point today on another thread with regards to those criticizing the US after the massive WC qualifying victory the other night.

I also agree that what makes football, football is the passion of the fans. That's why American sports are for the most part a joke. The fans do not pay attention to the games and spend maybe 3 hours a week worrying about their team and use at as an occasion to take their kids to get popcorn and hot dogs rather than getting into the match and paying attention to the pitch. Again that's why the US can never compete in any sport that more than 5-7 nations are passionate about and american footballers are at such a disadvantage when playing in football cultures. Culturally, the USA is a sporting wasteland.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Django — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:49:39 -0000

Not exactly a shining example of maturity Kartik...most of the comments, save for a couple in poor taste, have been based in fact or personal opinion. It happens to be my personal opinion that winning despite playing like shit is more a positive than a negative. I don't think it signifies doom for a title bid, and I'm optimistic as a fan of Liverpool. I'm very critical of Liverpool's performances, however, and while I'm happy about the win I am more than aware of some glaring holes in the side, some that could be fatal for title hopes. I am certainly not entitled to anything, other than being able to support my club and have an opinion about that team. I don't expect someone writing for this site to immediately write off someone's opinion as simply being bullying fanboys, or to take optimism as blind faith in the side. A sarcastic response to someone correcting you because they care about their club is not very impressive. One of the reasons I love football so much is because of the passion and commitment of fans; to mock that seems in poor taste.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

J. Rossi — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:39:59 -0000

kartik, go whining to mama- leave the gaffer alone.

I am one of the loyal Chelsea followers that beto mentioned- Thanks by the way.

Have you ever been to Anfield? That is passion and loyalty- they sing even when they are loosing supporting their team. By the way- stick to a team. Oh tonight its Fulham tomorrow's Boro- no respect for that.

Gaffer- cheers from cardiff via toronto. keep up the work but some of these lads need to grow up.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Dominic Mather — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:23:32 -0000

Come on Gaffer, I think you're being slightly unfair; I thought it was a sign of a champion to be able to play badly yet win!

And by the way - congratulations to Carragher for scoring his 5th Liverpool goal!

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Raatzie — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:54:45 -0000

Kartik, you appear more scared of logic than of LFC fans.

Had Gaffer writen that LFC, despite taking 6 out of 6 points, has not played well and/or has had some issues their first two games, I doubt anyone takes issue.

Saying LFC can kiss their dreams of winning the Prem goodbye, when they've taken 6 out of 6 points and reside atop the table, is ludicrous.

As ludicrous as saying LFC's locked it up.

Long season to go, peeps. Christ.

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

Davebaku — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:33:59 -0000

Who ever "The Gaffer " is has obviously no idea what he is talking about. Poor displays yet being able to grind out a win are marks of championship wining sides chap!!!! And as for your next quote,
"But most of all, what was missing from Liverpool’s performance is their ability to strike the killer blow".
What the fk was Gerrard doing in the 94th min? Looked like a killer blow to me mate.............

Re: Warning Signs For Liverpool Despite Injury Time Winner Against Boro

kkfla737 — Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:31:23 -0000

Gaffer, now you understand why so many of us are almost scared of liverpool fans. It is the way of the bully: anywhere anything is posted that in anyway is critical of the side and their fans sense of entitlement bombs start flying and personal insults become the norm. The fact that half the British media is in the tank for liverpool is lost on these people.