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In recent weeks and months, there’s been some discussion on two of the sources for soccer news I check routinely — Clever Football and the World Soccer Daily podcast — about the tiers of leagues in Europe and where MLS would fit in.
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1 year ago
recently Romania was doing quite well but it is only in tier 5
1 year ago
Obviously I think the Bundesliga is the best league in the world top to bottom and especially at the Bundesliga 2 stage where I believe their is a huge gap between that 2nd division and the Segunda in Spain and the Championship in England. Serie B is closer in quality but still a somewhat distant 2nd.
Honestly, Norway's league couldn't be very good. Nor could Sweden's. We have Americans who couldn't make a starting XI in MLS go to those leagues and become first teamers and in some cases make the leagues best XI. You can argue that some of that may have to do with tactics and coaching which are not as sophisticated in MLS as in Scandinavia.
However, if this is the case, and MLS is in fact then equivalent to third tier European league, then where does Mexico, Argentina and Brazil rank? The eurosnobs who never watch Latin football assume those are bad leagues. But Michael I thank you for clarifying this argument. Obviously based on your system I can safely characterize Mexico, Brazil and Argentina at worse second tier European leagues. I believe the Mexican league where the super classico as good a derby match as you'll find in the world is about to kick off is one of the five best leagues in the world. I'd put it in fifth right behind the four big European leagues. For those of you interested, Univision 8:30 pm ET tonight, the super Classico. Last year it had twice as many US viewers as the deciding game of the Stanley Cup Final, and five times as many as the champions league final.
1 year ago
From everything I read and hear, the Argentine league is regressing, and its signature teams, Boca and River Plate, aren't doing much to change that impression.
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1 year ago
If all things were equal, I'd probably put MLS in the 4th tier and USL-1, the former A-League, in the 6th or 7th tier. Again, it's like comparing apples to oranges because of the salary cap, travel, style of play, etc.
1 year ago
England, Spain and Italy have some of the top clubs in the world and some serious depth.
Germany has tremendous depth, but no great teams.
All of the other leagues have 1-3 teams capable of advancing past the group stages in Europe but no real depth in real quality. Just because PSG was a G-14 club does not mean they are worth a crap.
If it were me:
Tier 1: England, Spain, Italy
Tier 2: Germany
Tier 3:, Holland, Portugal, France, Turkey, Scotland
1 year ago
Melbourne Victory who finished fifth in the league missing out on finals football lost the other night to J-League team Gamba Osaka 4-3. Osaka were quality throughout but for large extent of the game we matched them. Interesting enough Osaka are in their actual season whereas the Victory havent played a competitive game since January....
I wonder how much A-League do you actually watch Michael? And if your barometer is the Pan Pacific joke of a tournament than you are deeply mistaken.
Agree with how you did the tiers for european football leagues....
1 year ago
USL-1 is actually about as good as MLS, so it's tough to really justify them being 2/3 tiers apart. Keep in mind in US Soccer, MLS has your 1st and 4th tier players because of the salary cap while your mid level players who can't fit under the salary cap and aren't stars are on USL-1 teams.
USL-1 teams all have 6-8 players better than the bottom 6-8 players on MLS squads. USL-1 has a less latin style, more european and thus many USL-1 sides would fit in European leagues better than the very latin styled MLS.
As for the Australian A league, Fred was the MVP of the league two years back with the Melbourne Victory. He then moved to MLS where he is a slightly above average player. So while the Aussie A League is improving it is still miles behind MLS, the K-League and J-League as far as overall depth. The top players in the A-league are good but the depth isn't there with the other three leagues I mentioned.
1 year ago
On to Fred, was Fred MVP? i'm not sure i think it was a draw between archie and danny allsopp...
Fred was successful in Australia i agree and Victory were poor cause we didn't find an adequate replacement (We got Costo Rican World Cup 2006 - Carlos Hernandez who couldn't deal with the pace early on).
I don't think we are miles behind. As i said depth wise we aren't there yet but this league i believe is heading in the right direction, we have a youth league coming soon, we have olyroos playing in the first team in most of the a-league teams we also have players who aren't past their sell buy date coming back to Australia.
Adelaide for instance finished behind Melbourne Victory in 6th place yet are top of their group in their second go at the Asian Champions League. Considering a season ago they weren't anywhere near in the ACL yet finished runners up in both the regular and final series of the A-league... a season later they end up beating Pohang Steelers of South Korea away from home.
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Again, thank you for the correction.
1 year ago
Surely a mistake here.
1 year ago
Sweden should also drop down: their domestic league is brutal and 3/4 quality players playing for top teams can't mask that.
Greece should go up, in place of Belgium: Belgian football has struggled for at least 2 decades now.
Other than that: you are on point.
1 year ago
Greece should go up? Why?
The A-League in Australia is under rated.
The American league too is improving but that is because of the large number latin american players not the American footballers whose quality is barely conference level.
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1 year ago
Yup my fear entirely. I am a national team person first club football second and I can say without a doubt that the influx of latin players is going to hurt the US National Team. Certainly MLS has improved thanks to them and the league now as Michael aptly put in his initial post has teams that could fight to avoid relegation in Europe's big leagues. But like the Premier League that's entirely down to foreign players and is not a trend as a proud American I wish to see continued. I like the idea of seeing 3-5 foreigners per team, but now you can have 8 non green card foreigners per team plus those with green cards and other exemptions your looking at some teams with over half their players being foreigners and that is not the spirit under which MLS was formed.
1 year ago