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Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

Jewcifer — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:03:48 -0000

This commercial is hilarious... if soccer fans cant take a joke, screw them.

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screw you — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 19:51:48 -0000

wow...what a fucking moron you are...Dale Jr. has won a race and he is in the race for the chase

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thegaffer — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:19:03 -0000

Patrick,

It's not my TV. Check to see who wrote the article.

Cheers,
THe Gaffer

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Patrick — Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:58:00 -0000

hey are you going to give up your sony pictured in this post

http://www.soccerondish.com/lets-not-get-our-ho...

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Todd — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:43:31 -0000

Jim Rome just had another attack on 'SAWKER' when maurice jones drew came on his show wearing a brazil jersey. rome knocked him for it ...acting like john mccain came to an interview with katie couric wearing a chicken suit. anyway, thats pathetic, outdated, and misinformed. the commercial was an attempt at a joke that failed with too much of its audience to be effective. this issue has been on my mind a lot lately...

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Stephen — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:49:08 -0000

Gaffer

Thanks for the acknowledgement. I never imagined I'd start an internet movement when I first posted that.

Shows what can be done if enough people speak out.

Power to the People!

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

thegaffer — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:17:18 -0000

The movement to boycott Sony is catching on. First it was EPL Talk, then The Offside picked up the story. This morning, 101 Great Goals wrote about it and now The Daily Telegraph picked up the baton and gave us a round of applause.

See http://tinyurl.com/47s5m7

Thanks to EPL Talk reader Stephen for first telling us about the story. See his comments at http://tinyurl.com/4kdr36

Cheers,
The Gaffer

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

Ryan — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:18:06 -0000

I found it pretty ignorant and typical of american attitudes to sports that are not there own. I'm sure they think if they can somehow take the sport down a notch it'll be less of a competition for they're native sports. I am in the market for a new tv and sony will not be a choice I'll look at.

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doug — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:16:27 -0000

I agree with many of your points but I find you choosing this Jeter commercial to be quite appropriate to the status of Soccer in the USA. When this Gillete advertising campaign first started the athletes were Tiger Woods, Roger Federer and Thiery Henry. Gillete has recently replaced Henry with Jeter in the USA market. I can only imagine that the reasoning behind this was that noone knew who Henry was. We may be making inroads but we have a long way to go in this country.

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tj — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:29:35 -0000

Well, now I know which TV to cross off my shopping list. The Panasonic plasma I wanted was a bit more expensive than the Sony Bravia, but it was a better TV anyway.

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Angelo — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:55:19 -0000

lol. Great way to lose customers. looking forward to tell my friends about this, to people who devote their lives to the game globally. and isnt there are LARGE population of hispanics and many other non-american ethnic groups in America ? surely they play soccer, i dont understand sony lol !!

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Lew — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:03:04 -0000

By the way, Mexican League games are carried in HD on Univision. As Trooped points out those who can afford HD TVs in the Mexican-American community may want to boycott SONY and find another product.

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Trooper — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:54:40 -0000

Thanks for the cool response, Todd. I think we're basically on the same page.

Back to my original post on the riskiness of the ad from a marketing standpoint: It just struck me that the ad is even riskier than I'd first realized, given the ethnic/cultural implications. Beyond us fans of the EPL and MLS, there is a distinctly huge market of Hispanics in the United States who are essentially being mocked by Sony here.

Given how easily the ad can be perceived as a slam, that makes Sony's decision even more baffling. This is not about whether those perceptions are right or wrong, because in advertising, perceptions are all that matter. The whole thing is just bizarre.

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

thegaffer — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:48:18 -0000

Hi Jennifer,

It's a bit late for that. If it was Sony's intent not to offend soccer fans with this commercial, then why make soccer the butt of the cheap joke in the first place?

I appreciate your attempt to diffuse the situation, but the fact of the matter is that the ad was done in poor taste and will undoubtedly offend soccer fans throughout the US -- and courtesy of YouTube -- around the world.

Cheers,
The Gaffer

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

cy — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:32:30 -0000

Kinda strange considering they are Champions League sponsors.

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Stephen — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:11:19 -0000

Jennifer

Thanks for taking the time to post a response.

If at all possible, please send a message back to Sony corporate that mindless ads like this don't reflect well on your company.

Sony wouldn't air this ad, or one like it, in Europe or South America, so why is it OK in the USA? As a global supporter of soccer, your company shouldn't be dissing the sport in the US by pandering to other sports like American football.

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cftv37 — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:13:16 -0000

Sure Sony was poking fun at soccer fan in that commerical. That said we are also seeing stories on TV about how Kevin Garnett is really into the Premiership, Steve Nash is a Tottenham supporter, and Kobe Bryant making it a point to meet Messi at the Olympics and watch him play for the Argies. US sports fans and the media will always slag soccer but over the past 10 years soccer has really started to make in-roads in our country through MLS and more games from the different foreign leagues around the world being available on cable tv...............................................

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Patrick — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:11:03 -0000

I'm more bothered by the lies McCain tells in his ads, then an ad with a chicken poking locker room type humour at the world's biggest sport.

and lets face it, making an American football fan even associate the word football with soccer is a start.

oyyy vey this blog today is doing my head in.

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

Jennifer Peterson — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:40:00 -0000

Hi Everyone-

My name is Jennifer and I work for Sony Electronics.

Please know, that the intent of Sony's latest commercial was to bring light on the U.S. consumers’ lack of knowledge or awareness of soccer, compared to NASCAR and NFL and not meant to offend anyone who enjoys or plays the sport. Sony is a strong global supporter of soccer/football with long-term sponsorships of both FIFA and FIFA Player of the Year Kaka. Again, Sony did not intend to offend anyone with this commercial.

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Todd — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:39:57 -0000

id like to ad, if we take the commercial extremely literal..we are left agreeing with peyton. would you buy a sony bravia hdtv to watch sports? sure, but wont be watching soccer in hd (thursday night mls being the only exception) where as we can watch real sports like NBA, NFL, MLB, golf, tennis (and the list goes on and on) all in hd every week. not one prem, la liga or any other league has hd matches shown in the US, not even the champions league final. all we get is the odd USMNT or MLS match...

so as i said, technically the commercial hits at a bigger issue...and the fact that its RIGHT is worse than its subconscious damage it may cause.

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Todd — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:35:33 -0000

trooper, ill admit you have a very valid point. we could very easily look at the subconscious damage such a commercial may cause. i think you may have misinterpreted my point slightly...in the same comment about how soccer fans should get the joke and take it for what its worth, i mentioned that it was a bizare advertising decision and shows the fundamental problem with our sport in this country.

but i have maintained for a few years now that its not ad gurus, sportscenter anchors, or loud mouth sports columnists preventing the beautiful game from being accepted by mainstream america. its petulent, crybaby soccer fan who demands everyone appreciate the subtly of a 1-0...meanwhile trashing on NFL and tv timeouts. we cant build our game by bringing down the others. and when things like this happen we cant act like we cant take a joke.

lets be rational...is peyton (ie sony, ad execs, mainstream media) suggesting football/soccer is in fact not a sport by definition, or is he implying its simply not a 'real' sport? does he mean its not a popular sport in this country, or that something about the mechanics make it not legitimate. if we can agree he was just saying 'no, this tv is for real sporting events like the super bowl or the world series...not for you to watch the entire first season of 'Who's the Boss?'. I think the point is that soccer is the pistachio of the sporting world. everyone likes peanuts (football), cashews (baseball) and almonds (basketball)...but for a little extra money and a more acquired taste, some of us demand the finer things in life. not as easily accessable, easy to call different or elitist, and perhaps even a little bit weird (they are green!). soccer is just slightly different, and im ok with that. they make jokes about golf, bowling, poker, darts and team thinking...likewise, soccer is a punching bag. but as long as we act like the red headed step child we will be treated as one. hockey fan, nascar fan and more recently, MMA fan have showed they dont need ESPN or major advertisers...they will just passionately follow their sport and the money will come to them. it always does.

you make a valid point trooper...and if we belittled it, then you certainly made it into something its not. commercials are memorable, but ive seen 2 other versions of THIS commercial and not seen this one specifically. its hardly going to affect human behavior.

look at this video, when jeter makes a jab at golf at the end http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8-bOSEfFWk

do you know why soccer fan should be offended by this? because rather than make fun of us, they dropped thierry henry and replaced him with jeter. id rather be in the commercial in jest than completely ignored...think about that

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

Trooper — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:15:51 -0000

Saying stuff like "it's just a commercial" is usually the mark of someone who does not understand the nature of iconography and the power of advertising. Companies don't spend billions of dollars on advertising for the fun of it. They spend billions of dollars on advertising because it affects human behavior.

At any rate, I'm not saying this one frikking ad is gonna destroy soccer in the United States. I'm simply pointing out that "soccer fans need to get a sense of humor" is not necessarily a sufficient response to the topic.

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Weston — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:50:17 -0000

Its a tv commercial...its not going to hurt the cause of the game in the states. Dont give those marketing weenies too much credit.

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

Trooper — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:11:00 -0000

Good for all you people who 'agree with Todd.' But frankly, I don't see the point in applauding yourselves for the thickness of your own skin. Yeah, cool, so you're able to laugh at yourselves .... welcome to being a human being.

As people are pointing out elsewhere, the issue with this commercial isn't whether you're personally "offended" or not. Who cares about that. The issue is how it hurts the cause of soccer in the United States. You people are already soccer fans. A commercial isn't going to run you off. But if you think it can't have an effect on others coming into the game, whether potential players or fans, you're crazy.

I don't mean to make too much over a single ad, but honestly .... this is probably the most prominent public swipe at soccer I've seen in my four decades. It's also kind of startling to see it here in 2008.... I thought we were finally starting to cross the threshold where soccer-bashing was viewed as kind of cliched and lame.

Re: Soccer Fans: Boycott Sony Bravia HD TVs

Auslander25 — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:41:53 -0000

I think boycotting their product isn't enough. Hopefully somebody will drop an atomic bomb on their corporate headquarters.