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I understand spending money on players doesn't always equal improvement, but how many years can Arsenal continue to say they're rebuilding before they actually contend again? They can spend more than they do, so why don't they go after a top player or two? I don't want to hear they're "blooding their young players". When are they fully "blooded"? When will that experience translate into success??
Another re-hashing of the "Arsenal in crisis" article which is clogging up the internet at the moment.
Pardon me if I don't get too upset over the departure of a 31 year old midfielder, a 39 (39!) year old goalkeeper or an attacking midfielder who could only score two goals a season.
And Spurs? With respect, Spurs fans would LOVE to have our problems.
We came third last season; they came eleventh.
We came achingly close to the Champions League Semi-final; they won a cup we've been sending our reserves out to play since the last millennium.
And we haven't just sold our Captain!
We've been reading about this Spurs renaissance every August for a decade.
And we've been reading this same dull, Arsenal-won't-buy-experience, why won't Wenger splash the cash piece on every website in the world all summer.
For all the talk of football being a rich game, most clubs don't have £20 million just lying around.
Arsenal buy the best they can afford and then train them to play a high-tempo, high skill game that most teams can't live with. We were a bounce of the ball and a broken leg off the title last year. we'll be there or thereabouts again this year.
I cant beleive you just spent the first part of the article comparing us to spurs, thats the biggest joke of all. They can spend all the money in the world, fact of the matter is two years ago Arsenal finished 21 points off the pace. Lost one of the, if not the best striker in the world at the time, barring injuries, and last seasons managed 4 points off the pace. Where have sp*rs been.
On that note last season was Arsenals season to lose, up by 12 points wasnt it? And yes, they choked, lack of experience, injuries, whatever the reasons are they fell so close to the line to win it.
And another year starts, and another article about Wenger buying young players, hence Arsenal won't win anything.
The only worry for Arsenal at this moment is the holding midfield role and we will see what happens with that.
You just made my point for me, thanks.
Dobby, I picked Arsenal to finish ahead of Spurs, if you noticed, but Spurs will be closer to Arsenal than Arsenal will be to teams 1-3.
Am I supposed to be amazed by that? Or placated into not regarding this as another piece of poorly researched, re-hashed conventional wisdom pieces?
Yes, of course Arsenal will finished above Spurs. We were 37 points clear of them last season. Just how destructive do you suppose the sale of Hleb is going to be?
By the way, what does this mean?
"the advantage of traveling less because of their geographical location"?
You think Arsenal might win it because they can get to M1 faster?
Just how big do you think England is? And, if being centrally located is the key, why aren't Aston Villa the Champions every year?
This is all nonsense. It's not "put-up or shut-up" time for Wenger. At the end of the season, it's not one happy team and 19 depressed losers. Arsenal are a beautiful football team who compete every year at the absolute highest level. We were brilliant but unlucky last year, that squad will be as talented again next year.
If you're outside of the "Big Four" and don't win one of the last four trophies, fine, that's ok, you can still have a solid season by qualifying for Europe or making a deep cup run. But if you're a club like Arsenal, one of the top four, and you don't win one of these trophies, the year has been a failure. Simple as that. It's unacceptable.
As for your points regarding Spurs, here's the deal. Losing Hleb isn't a great loss. Losing Flamini is a huge blow. Losing Gilberto is tough because it leaves no proven commodity in defensive midfield. Spurs now have a better midfield and front line than Arsenal. They've signaled their intention to make a run by spending money, and I like that they're going for it. They won a trophy last season (and by the way, Arsenal did not play their kids in both legs against Spurs in the semifinal), and are looking to build off that.
Jem, actually, I didn't shut my mouth. Even when Arsenal was leading, I knew, and posted here and on my site as such, that they'd eventually crumble and that the best team, Manchester United, would win out.
First, it isn't totally clear to me why you think Arsenal will be closer to the rest of the pack than to the leaders. After all, they were only four points off the pace set by United last season. I don't buy the claim that it was "lack of experience" that doomed Arsenal last season. Rather, it was a combination of two central factors - a dip in form for a few key players (particularly Adebayor and Hleb) and injuries plaguing a side that lacked depth (and thus not only were lesser players placed into the lineup, but the starters were worn down). The first happens to every team, the second is a problem that one could argue could hurt this team again.
So let us presume that the young side has not advanced enough to fix this weakness "from the inside." Still, that's a problem that existed for a side that finished 4 points off first, and 18 points ahead of 5th. For your argument, one can go about it in two ways. The first is to argue that the top two teams have gotten much better than Arsenal. The second is to argue that Arsenal has declined since last season. The first does not receive any mention, and you tend to adopt the second strategy.
Alright, but it is not really established. The players in and out are listed, but beyond that, we need reason to believe that the players lost are going to make such a substantive difference. Let's take a look at the players out:
Gilberto - role player last season, did not perform well in his limited time.
Lehmann - Reserve keeper.
Flamini - one of the better players on the squad.
Hleb - very talented player, who when on his form was excellent but had an astonishingly low number of both assists and goals.
How do the new additions stack up? I think Nasri is likely a wash with Hleb, he will not be as polished but should give Arsenal more of an edge in front of goal. Ramsey has looked excellent in pre-season, but who knows really. In first team terms, he will mostly be aboard for depth, fulfilling part of Gilberto's role (though, unlike Gilberto, he will not be able to fill in at center back, Djourou and Song will have increased responsibilities there). Bischoff cannot be counted on for anything. One also must consider Vela, who should play a role as a spark off the bench.
Ultimately I think that there is a bit of a drop off from Lehman to Fabianski at reserve keeper, a wash in attacking midfield, and a wash in midfield depth. There is then a large hole in the holding midfield role. Right now it looks like Denilson will play that role, but I'm not sure he is the right type of player to complement Fabregas, given some similarities in their styles.
This then must be weighed against the expected improvement from a side of players at their age. There are very few players who can be expected to decline this season (Gallas, perhaps Rosicky coming off injury). I certainly understand the restriction that one can only evaluate the team as it is now, and not with any presumption that they will sign someone to bolster the DM role. That's a fair restriction. Yet, what needs to be shown is that the difference between Flamini and Denilson, minus the improvement of the squad players, will move a team that was only 4 points off the pace to one closer to the UEFA cup than the title.
Perhaps that case can be made, I'm not ruling it out. But it is a lot more complicated than at first glance.
The second point I wish to raise (and I shall be brief, as I know I am rather verbose as it is) is in regards to your "bottom line." What in the world does it mean that it is "put up or shut up" time? For your personal evaluation of Wenger's approach? For Wenger himself? Clearly not the second, as there has been no indication that his position is in trouble. The financial necessity of his strategy is unclear, but many sources indicate that his approach is required (though perhaps not to the extent he pursues it) by debts associated with the building of the Emirates Stadium. That's a critical wild-card for any discussion of the merits of Wenger's approach.
The truth is that Wenger is not "playing for the future" and saying "wait til next year" all the time. He has built a side on a particular philosophy, and it was a title-contending side this past season. He is attempting to develop such a side within the financial constraints of the club, and through his clear commitment to the skills of youth. Given his policy of contracts for older players, one must conclude that the reason he targets is youthful players is not merely that they are cheap, but that he thinks they can contend at the highest level. Since his team finished only 4 points off the pace, perhaps he is right.
I'm just not really clear what you mean by those claims. Are you criticizing that strategy? Fair enough, what part? And in what way? What evidence can you marshal for the criticism? How should he change his strategy? Can it fit within the restrictions of Arsenal's budget (if any of us really know what it is)? Are you making a factual assertion about Wenger's status? To whom? You (uninteresting)? Arsenal FC (false)?
Again, this paragraph does follow a general trend in terms of controversial, baiting paragraphs given without adequate discussion. Perhaps I ought not be so critical of it. Nevertheless, the paragraph offers a common criticism, and one that deserves thoughtful consideration - and not simple proclamations without even enough discussion to explain what said proclamations mean.
i read this site's posts and theyve really become beyond commenting on. theres a sense of snobbery growing ever clear from this site and the sites only been around for a few years. its become nothing different from the british media. this same kind of article appeared in british papers about a month ago.
lets just wait and who's in first through christmas and then we'll get articles about how wenger is a genius once again. this happens almost every year, and while michael you might be relatively knew to all this, trust me i know. for the past 20 years its always been writing the team off and mid way through season calling the manager a genius, and then towards the end of the season saying "i told you they werent good enough".
bottom line, we have 11 solid startering players and we're beginning without any injuries. plus, we've got a good young bench and a proven manager.
i just wish we could wait till the season is actually played to analyze the teams. doing it before is like analyzing the results of an expirement before its actually carried out. its like saying something is true without any evidence or valid observation. its like youre saying adam and eve were the first people on earth and we are their descendents. its just something we have to wait and see. you dont have to reply to this because everyone knows you will have the mugsmashers 3rd, chelski 2nd, and manUre 1st. thats too easy.
When did the Carling Cup supercede the FA Cup (Arsenal 2005) as a "major trophy?
This is the same Tottenham who had "spent money hand over fist" last season that were supposed to knock Arsenal (who only brought in youngters) out of the top four but only finished 11th?
Whatever last seasons was to the Gunners and Gooners, it had little or nothing to do with Spurs. That we were only one win away from the title and harsh penalty decisions knocked us out of Europe (the Champions League, not the UEFA Cup, just so the Spurs fans don't get confused) is probably what is responsible for the aftertaste of last season.
this young team are so bad that at just a average age of 20 i think just drawed to sevilla.
how come's arsenal have not been commended for setting up one of the most exciting acdemys?
so let all the media right us off,let them try this crap like they do every year but for me this is the start of something great.
and when this young team pick up there first trophy watch them go,so keep writing us off because it rallys us even more.
trust me at the end of the season i would like sites like this to be taken of the internet.
im excited for the season, would really like a central midfielder signed, because apart from that position the team is looking so strong, expecially when eduardo and rosicky come back from injuries aswell, if RVPs leg donsnt break, this season is going to be amazing
That said, it will be hard to count them out this year, even though L'Pool, Chelski and ManU look to be clearly stronger sides ... on paper. The Young-Goons are talented and are in a winning culture, and that can go a long way.
Given the furor over the Carling Cup comment, the gunners-fans seem to be aware of the possibility of a (for once) quality spurs team posing a very real challenge to them.
"Arsenal are the best, just you wait and see, whaa, whaa...[spits dummy out]...whaa, the media's out to get us, we'll show you, whaa [falls out of pram]."
This is a blog fer crissakes - not a bleedin' oracle. It's written by people with opinions, opinions that may - shock, horror - differ from your own.
Michael, like every man and his dog with an opinion on the upcoming season, wonders how Arsenal are going to challenge for the PL and CL when they have failed, yet again, to make significant investment in the squad (compared to Chelsea and ManU, that is). Man U may not have made any signings yet, but you can be sure they will by the end of the window. Chelsea have bought Bosingwa and Deco (sorry, Simon Burke, but that is more than a "little investment").
The comparison with Spurs makes sense when you remember (and this may be breaking news for some of the learning-impaired 12 year olds that are commenting here) that Spurs and Arsenal have been fierce rivals for almost a century, and that Spurs have top 4 pretensions (again).
My guess: Arsenal will nab 3rd or even 2nd if Man U slip up. Chelsea will win it.
This is Michaels opinion.. Others might have other opinions and thats life! I didn't agree with Michael placing Fulham 16th, but hey.. I respect his opinion.
There is no need to rip the guy a new asshole, just because he is posting his opinions online!
If you don't like it, just don't read the blog then!
Keep up the good work Michael (Fulham is finishing 14th;))!
As others have noted, Wenger has never made excuses for not winning. He wants to win the PL and CL every year. The "rebuilding" label was attached by others.
Also, all of the youngsters that played last year went through a title chase and a Champions League run. Would that qualify as experience?
You are proof that if you give a Yank a keyboard he can sh#$t his way through life.
You're looking pretty foolish now aren't you?
How's that Spurs revival working out for you, Michael?