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At the start of the Euro 2008 tournament, ESPN pundits were asked who was going to be their star of the tournament. Pundit Julie Foudy picked Thierry Henry. Her choice showed how clueless she is about the sport.
I’m still scratching my head why ESPN selected Foudy as a member of thei ... Continue reading »
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1 year ago
1 year ago
If you follow the international scene long enough, you know when push comes to shove that Henry steps up for country.
I don't think any of us though realized this team was just that old, to the point it borderlined on sad.
I haven't minded Fowdy at all. Actually the more over the top hate (seems to me like these people want the gig themselves...not going to happen people) Fowdy gets, the more I want ESPN to keep her center camera.
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a) have no business playing it
b) have made it a girls sport
c) have generally corrupted what is a beautiful game.
However if these matches are going to be aired and produced for an AMERICAN audience, it is important to have an American perspective. Who better than a former national team member who actually follows world football unlike Eric Wynalda and isn't a total anglophile like John Harkes to give a balanced reasoned perspective.
Those who want to make our coverage or matches resemble that of the match coverage in the UK don't realize the game will never grow beyond its small core base of fans here or will even reach the masses of latino and southern european fans who are used to a different type of viewing experience including different types of commentators. The inclusion of Pedro Gomes a cuban-american from Miami who knows soccer and used to attend Strikers matches growing up is a good step in the right direction.
Foudy commented on the 1998 and 2006 World Cups in the ESPN studio and while their were complaints the attacks on her during the Euros have been over the top and quite frankly in some cases (not from you gaffer but from other) purely sexist and smacking of two things:
1- A women should not comment on a man's game.
2- An American should not comment on a British/European game.
Those who have made these types of implied comments need to understand the bigger picture and appreciate that this is 2008 and not 1958.
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Foudy's been OK; you might criticise some of her predictions but her knowledge of the world game seems fine. And I really enjoyed Gullit hitting on her yesterday.
I thought Pedro Gomes has been very poor, but maybe he just rubs me up the wrong way.
Overall, the top layer of competent American talent is very thin, but that's only to be expected given the sport's relative profile.
1 year ago
Julie has been fine - so she doesnt know as much as Andy Gray but she does know as much as Tommy Smyth.
I have no complaints with her really. All in all ESPN havent done too bad a job and there is an awful lot worse than her out there they could have picked. Its an American network - be thankful you have it at all and its not PPV like the last one.
PS) Henry scored one goal in 2 games against tough teams. A one in two ratio is pretty good at the best of times - and one of those games he played on a team with 10 men against the best defense in the world.
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There is a reason why people aimlessly bet on first goals and golden boots. They are difficult to predict. Take her to task for something tangible, back it up with a funny youtube of her making an ass of herself or concede that YOU, Gaffer, are making an ass of YOURself.
I think the pre/post match stuff has been mostly fluff (as with virtually every pre/post match report of any sport on TV ever unless you are so unbelievably biased due to an extreme interest in your team's game or win) but Foudy hasn't deserved to be pulled out for ridicule in my mind. She is much better than the crap ESPN has thrown out in the past and is better than Smyth. Sheesh.
1 year ago
But, yes, she is clueless about the game, compared to others. Hey, again, ESPN has done fantastic so far, and I am not going to badmouth them for picking her to sit in the studio.
Remember the dark days when you had to pay $200 for the whole tourney? And the days of a 2 hour Premier League highlights show on your local Fox Sports station in the middle of the night. Or, even more recently, the days of Wynalda, O'Brian, and Balboa in the studio?
Come on, life is good nowadays!!!
1 year ago
I've been saying this since the tournament started.
She is horrible. Has no clue what she's talking about.
I'm going to keep saying it, I can do a better job than her.
1 year ago
It should be obvious even to casual viewers that she is not doing enough preparation for the broadcasts.
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ESPN and their entire team are guilty of trying to dumb down the sport by having Julie go over goals and point out stuff like she would have had so much vision that it could never have happened to her.
I am bored with the English ESPN and watch in Spanish even if my spanish is limited to Yo hablo espanol, it is 1000000% better than listening to that in studio nonsense.
1 year ago
Foudy = ESPN's defensive posture
1 year ago
Why do some of you feel the British/Euro terminology is by default the proper terminology? Is it because this is their sport and we are barbaric heathens that like Nascar and the violence of American Football over the subtle beauty of football? Of course not! Again, Europeans don't view this way outside of some ignorant journalists on Fleet Street, but American soccer fans feel they must show how unlike fans of American sports they are.
It is because some of you are so reared in the American Soccer culture that anything American in this sport is somehow inferior to its European counterpart.
Everytime I go to the UK I am amazed by how many foreign names their announcers mispronounce (names that strangely many American announcers reared on Baseball, a game that has lots of ethnic latinos in the big leagues can pronounce properly) and by how poor their general production quality is compared to any mainstream American TV production. Yet I don't scream, "Hire some Americans." It is what it is: a program geared to a British audience.
This is American TV, not the BBC or ITV. Rece Davis and Julie Foudy are explaining terms to generally an American audience. Why do some of you have to act like complete eurosnob elitists in knocking any American commentary or discussion of this game. If you don't want us playing the game then just say it. Say the US shouldn't have a domestic league or a national team because we will always be inferior to the Europeans (even though we as a nation have conquered everything we have ever set out to conquer) and that you wish all the announcers and studio guests were European.
Gaffer made a simple suggestion of Seumas Malin who I grew up with and like. But he
too would be waaaaaaaaaaay too Americanized in his terminology for many of you.
The funny thing is people in England or in Europe aren't this way about Americans and their interest in the game. They are generally pretty curious about the US National Team, MLS/USL and how the game is covered here.
It's Americans who somehow feel they are inferior as a football fan that have to prove how smart they are about the game by showing how European oriented they are and by bashing all things American that propagate this culture and it flat out sucks.
1 year ago
I gave you a strong agreement above but I disagree here:
The funny thing is people in England or in Europe aren’t this way about Americans and their interest in the game. They are generally pretty curious about the US National Team, MLS/USL and how the game is covered here.
I dont think anyone in England particularly cares about the US National team or MLS.
Also when i am watching Baseball - I prefer to have American commentators and the same for NFL - when Sky used to do the NFL (and they may still do this) they had English people at half time doing the studio bit and by God they sucked. Sometimes its best to stick to who's good at it.
That said I think Foudy has been fine - Tommy not so much and I dont like Seamus (and I am half Irish). I am just delighted I am seeing this for free and also on ESPN360 - this coverage has been alright for me.
In England we trot out some right muppets, Tim Sherwood on Setanta , Mark lawrenson (an acquired taste but not mine), Barry Venison and his awful suits used to pop up on Sky...
1 year ago
Brazil-Argentina tonight. Sure the Euros have been good, but it doesn't get any better than this. I spent $25 so it better be a cracker!
1 year ago
Having watched the BBC coverage of the last World Cup while in London in June of 06, I can clearly state ESPN is head and shoulders above the BBC in production quality. Hands down the ESPN coverage of Euro 08 has been outstanding and will help build the audience for soccer in the US. The pre and post game shows for Euro 08 and MLS are excellent reviews of the current of action and of general soccer news
of interest to the American viewer. As well as promoting ESPN showings.
Why do we see so many comments about how ESPN should not get EPL coverage? Because many people have something to fear if they gain the rights. Keep up the good work!
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For one she sounds like a fucking robot, her lazy eyes and ugly face make me want to punch my television. Secondly she has no passion at all and thinks everything is a joke it seems. She is chuckling at EVERYTHING like it is a damn tick or something. I know it is probably a bad habit but she needs to stop because it is so irritating. She also acts like she's thinks she is a comedian, making jokes when the analysts are talking and interrupting the host. She acts like it is some kind of damn variety show and needs to just stick to the soccer analysis. Plus she is ugly as hell.
1 year ago
I like the team. I only turn away when Smyth opens his mouth to say something about an onion bag.
1 year ago
to foudy. first off the question is why have her on. for me its very simple...ESPN knows there are a few different types of people out there who are already interested in soccer. laintos (who may opt for ESPN deportes anyway), expats and various other 'foreigners', and young girls. the young girls because they play soccer and think the guys are hot. so to have foudy up there they are getting that i think. not to mention shes played in international tournaments and is the only american analyst.
overall though she gets on my nerves because she always seems to be making jokes or talking over people...she just doesnt seem as professional or prepared. its hard to look that good though sitting next to andy gray. overall her opinions are fine though...i think if she took it more seriously she would do extremely well.
guys just dont want a woman who has won medals and trophies playing this sport telling them what to think.
as i always say...more of american soccer fan being the worst thing for this sport in this country
1 year ago
andy gray looked like he wanted to slap her, as did i.
could you imagine if espn's coverage of the nba finals had some former star from the wnba? never. why soccer?
1 year ago
Of course this isn't feasible, but I think any of the FSC guys would do a good job, and maybe 3 weeks on ESPN pays more than 2 years on FSC.
1 year ago
I saw Rob Stone chastize Croatia for celebrating on the field in Group stage against Germany. Well ex-cuuusse me. This from a network that had a liveshot of the a backup catcher for the Red Sox arriving from an airport in Boston. I saw John Anderson on Sportscenter mock Lukas Podolski's calf injury and imply he should suck it up and play through it like Tiger Woods. Last I checked soccer was a bit tougher on the legs then golf. My point is ESPN on-air talent largely sucks at covering soccer. Julie Foudy is refreshing if only because she's at least minimally competent.
Foudy has 271 caps for the US National Team over 17 years and has two Olympic Gold Medals and two World Cup wins -- all broadcast to large audiences inside the US. If that's a token then maybe you have issues with women broadcasters in general, not Julie Foudy.
Note to Erik: ESPN does use a woman broadcaster for their 2nd broadcast team in NBA basketball, Doris Burke. She's good.
1 year ago
As far as Gray is concerned he knows nothing outside of the Premier League and clubs who play Champions League football from the big leagues. That's why he has had a hard time discussing players who do not play for let's say the top 3 or 4 clubs in other leagues. Also he is so biased against anyone with a connection to Chelsea FC it's is truly sick.
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So does Doris Burke.
So does that other woman who is usually covering the noon big 10 football game in the Metrodome.
But it is not because they are woman. It is because they are so stale and boring.
and please...Julie Foudy knows nothing about football. Give me a break.
1 year ago
Thanks for the history lesson, you tool.
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Central American fans don't throw "things" onto the pitch.
They throw their URINE onto the pitch (either with bags or cups), particularly when opponents are getting ready to take corner kicks.
1 year ago
At this point, EPL on one of the ESPN networks in the U.S. for the 2010-2011 season is a foregone conclusion, especially if ESPN, Inc. were to acquire U.K. domestic rights to one of the EPL TV packages.
Neither Setanta nor FOX can afford to pay much more money for EPL. Setanta in particular is losing money on the current deal (its 50% share being $28.5 million for 3 seasons), while FOX Soccer Channel is at best running at break even.
The big question: will Setanta Sports Limited still be in business come August 2010? I have my doubts about that. Setanta's UK operation is burning through over USD$1 million a week.
1 year ago
It's too bad that Foudy decided for whatever reason that she was going to "mail it in" for the past 2 weeks.
Foudy obviously knows the game well enough to analyze it on TV.
The problem I have with Foudy over the years is what I perceive to be her lack of effort in preparing for broadcasts.
She showed her lack of preparation by absolutely butchering the pronounciation of Iran during World Cup 1998 on ABC. That was inexcusable, as that showed me that she lacked respect for the viewers.
10 years later, she has shown me that she hasn't changed much as far as her effort in preparing for a soccer broadcast.
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Cheers
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The Den is home to Millwall FC (based in South East London) and a naughty little firm called the Bushwhackers.
Away fans require rather a lot of bottle to visit the place.......especially should their team win!
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The choice of Andy Gray was fantastic, always ready to add a former player's insight to the commentary; I found his contribution throughout the tournament informative. Also, i have to give props to him as the great 80's cult hero of my club Everton
11 months ago
Foudy has 271 caps for the US National Team over 17 years and has two Olympic Gold Medals and two World Cup wins — all broadcast to large audiences inside the US. If that’s a token then maybe you have issues with women broadcasters in general, not Julie Foudy.
TWO World Cup Wins...TWO Olympic Gold Medals...271 caps...17 years... I'm sorry but
it begs the question: who in the hell do you
think is more qualified? She, Mia, Brandi and Christine Lily are the best soccer players America has produced. Of course she would be tapped by ESPN as commentator!
10 months ago