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Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Adam J — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:23:06 -0000

Micheal, i can call you by what ever the f*** i want, ok?

And by the responses that you'v been getting from your articles, I would question your writing ability and football knowledge. Consider another hobby maybe?

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

JLay — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:13:55 -0000

And before anyone brings it up, "medicine" was a typo...

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

JLay — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:10:39 -0000

Sure, Terry is a passionate player. But intimidation, loud yelling, and really, really wanting to win are not the qualities that define a captain. A captain knows when it's time to light a fire and when it's time to cool things down. He needs to keep a level head, keep his teammates under control, and present his case respectfully to the officials if he feels that his squad have been wronged.

Terry isn't that guy. Locker room leader or floor general, fine, but he's not a captain. They're not the same...

I never said that the US were better than England - I was being sarcastic and you're misssing my point. Neither one of our squads is winning anything major anytime soon, but England convinces itself year after year that they are one of the best sides in the world. Unfortunately, the results over the last decade prove that they absolutely don't, and I don't see things getting better anytime soon. If Theo Walcott is your best "up and coming" young player, you're in even bigger trouble in a few years.

FIFA rankings are total BS - you know that. The US were ranked #5 in March of 2006. Make sense? Of course not.

As for saving the world, I was only giving a scouse flamer a little of his own medecine. I was trying to be sarcastic. That said, we were happy to help. =D

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Nick — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:48:09 -0000

Michael:

"Sure, Terry can command men and give a good speech or whatever, fine, but that’s not all that being captain is about."

Hmm, really!?

With regard to the Croatia game. Terry's presence is enough to lift a team, to pick up the tempo, yeah, to ruffle some feathers. He's in your face and a lot of the time, he ends up making the difference. In fact, he epitimises everything that is great about the english game, the bulldog spirit and passion.

Maybe that's what's missing in the glitz, glamour and showbiz of the MLS.

JLay:

I just had a look at the official FIFA World Rankings. The table only shows the top 25, England are 14th. USA aren't on there. A little bit of digging later and you're at no.31. Well done. Also had a look at that tricky qualifying group you're in. Is there a football pitch in Barbados?

Oh, and thanks for saving the world.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Michael — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:21:31 -0000

Did you not read my last comment? My name is Michael. Come on, Adma.

Sure, The Sun is a tabloid, but the Daily Mail certainly isn't. As it is, those "revelations" weren't only brought to light in The Sun anyway, that's the just the paper cited by the Daily Mail. Please don't ignore the facts -- it makes you like ignorant.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Adam J — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:23:06 -0000

Ok, micheal more than half of that stuff is all gossip. Don't you really know the Sun ?

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

JLay — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:02:40 -0000

Nasty - is that the same £100,000 Bentley that plays for Spurs?

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Michael — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:37:28 -0000

My name is Michael, actually, thanks.

Where did he confess?

September 2005: "I really regret what I've done to Toni. I'm not going to cheat on her ever again and want to marry her more than anything in the world."

Taken from an article found on the Daily Mail's website written in August 2006:

"Meanwhile, Terry's love life has been no less colourful. He is engaged to beautician Toni Poole, 24, and in their first seven years together is said to have strayed at least eight times, but has always been forgiven.

Last September, he said: "I really regret what I've done to Toni. I'm not going to cheat on her ever again and want to marry her more than anything in the world."

But two months later lurid revelations were made in The Sun about how Terry enjoyed a passionate clinch in his £100,000 Bentley with a busty teenager who had asked for his autograph and then sent her lewd text messages suggesting a threesome with one of her friends."

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Adam J — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:56:31 -0000

Wow. Micheal, you do not know one thing about this game.

When did John Terry ever confess to cheating on his significant other?

Gerrard has by no means stepped up when wearing an England Jersey. Not at all.

You really don't know ALOT Micheal, like Nick said, i hear netball is good this time of year.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

JLay — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:07:42 -0000

Nonsense - Terry's character is on full display for at least 90 minutes every week. He intimidates, argues with, bumps into, and generally harangues the referees every time a call goes against him. I'd expect that sort of behavior from a three year old, not the 27 year-old captain of my national team.

As for his "passion and commitment", is that a euphamism for "immature hotheaded jackasssery"? Putting club allegiances aside, do you want a team captain that antagonizes the referees that you depend on to make impartial calls? I wouldn't.

I think any impartial party could agree that all three players have had their a-hole moments off the field, but at least the other two are able to hold their sh*t together while they're on the pitch. That said, I'd give the armband to David James - he seems like the only even-keeled guy on the squad.

Now, John... Kartik's a nice, even-tempered guy, so I'm going to have to step in and play at your level.

Hmm... what has America done?

America broke free of oppressive British colonialism, bailed the Brits out in two World Wars , defeated national socialism and communism, become the one and only military superpower, and dominated the global economic and cultural landscape for the last 60+ years.

We are also the dominant football team on our continent - can you say that? Finally, I'll point out that we generally (but not always) dominate the sports that we've "invented", which should be pretty easy to do - but not for you folks, huh?

What has England ever won, Brit? Now, why don't YOU go back to jerking off about The Great Fluke of 1966, you silly scouser!

I eagerly await your response...

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Slipereypete — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:39:57 -0000

The idea that you could speak to the "character" of someone you have never met is absolutely baffling. You haven't a clue as to what makes JT tick, nor do I. This is just rank amateurish, reactionary, subjective trash.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Simon Burke — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:40:28 -0000

I think most people would have chosen Rio over Terry because the average laymen tends to like Rio more than Terry. There is something thats offputting about Terry. That said, this sentiment has nothing to do with sport but in England that sort of public perception as silly as it sounds matters.
I like Gerrard but as Rob says above he hasnt performed that well for England. I'd have picked Rio, an all round better footballer than Terry and apparently more popular in the dressing room. Terry is a great captain at Chelsea though no question, though i dont like him either :)

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

kkfla737 — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:39:03 -0000

John, glad you have your straight. Brad Guzan was the goalkeeper on Gerrard's goal not Howard.

BTW, I'm not a Chelsea fan as you claim. I just believe based on my observation of football that Lampard is a more cultured player than Gerrard. Just an opinion based on watching both footballers for about eight years now. If you say something honest about any Liverpool player this is the automatic reaction. It's childish and juvenile.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

John — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:54:10 -0000

kartik, gerrard schooled your yanks and made tim howard look like a schoolboy on the goal he scored at wembley. yet you bash him? what has america ever won, yank? why do you not tell me what the yanks have won? go back to jerking off about olympic basketball you yank chelsea lover.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Rob — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:09:28 -0000

Gerrard is a lovely thought but he hasn't really performed for England in ages. He doesn't care as much about the Three Lions as he does the 'Pool.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

kkfla737 — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:49:44 -0000

This post and subsequent reaction illustrate why England despite having arguably superior talent to everyone cannot win. We're bitching about the captain's armband taking shots at people (as I admit I did in another post attacking Gerrard) and basing everything on their CLUB CAREERS. Some national managers do not even base their call ups on club form because some guys are more natural in the national team setup. English fans and the media are so obsessed with the club game that performances for England itself seem to take on second nature in their thought process.

A good example is Emile Heskey who despite not being much of a goal scorer for England is a VERY useful player at the international level. England is not physical enough and does not have attacking player who play well with their back to goal. When McLaren picked Heskey last year the media heaped nothing but ridicule but I correctly labeled the pick as a smart move by Macca, which it proved to be in the Russia and Israel matches where EH played critical roles.

Folks their is a HUGE difference between international and domestic club football. They are almost totally different games: please understand that.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

JSquirrelpants — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:27:03 -0000

Whoever called this a "character assassination" is spot on. I'm not a John Terry fan by any means, but this sounds like it was written by a bitter ex-wife. Going by this analysis, I'm suprised you would support Stevie G; afterall he did have children out of wedlock and wrote a self-serving autobiography!

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Michael — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:24:54 -0000

Nick, good for Terry, he stepped up. But you know what, he missed. He wasn't the only one, but he missed with the game on the line.

There is no way you can say that IF Terry would've have played against Croatia, England would've qualified. None of Croatia's goals had anything to do with poor play at center back, so I don't see how Terry's presence would've changed anything. As it is, you're talking about if's and maybe's.

Character assassination? Terry has no character to begin with. Look at how he conducts himself on and off the field. He wasn't even Chelsea's leader last year -- that was Michael Ballack. Sure, Terry can command men and give a good speech or whatever, fine, but that's not all that being captain is about. Do you remember when Capello said he's looking for an ambassador for England "on the pitch and off it"? You can't convince me that the right man for the job is Terry.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

JD — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:40:06 -0000

I agree Gerrard is the obvious choice...except he isn't as good with the press as Terry or Ferdinand. And (unfortunately) there is more to the England captaincy than footballing talent.

And while I won't argue with Terry's "commitment and passion" it does often cross the line into offensive and obnoxious...intentionally or not.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Sam — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:32:46 -0000

HAHAHAHA....

The kid who wrote this... I hope you continue to further display how little you know.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Nick — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:20:55 -0000

But if Michael Jordan didn't play- would they have won? Hence, if JT would have played in the final qualifier, there is every chance we could have won and made the Euros.

The Olympics!? England actually qualified by making the semis of the European U21 championships. But England doesn't compete in the Olympics, Great Britain does. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland don't want to be part of a Team GB olympic football team as it would threaten their existence in terms of having an independent national team in the eyes of FIFA.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

eplnfl — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:41:10 -0000

I may be missing something but the Team Captain in whatever sport for whatever country means nothing! Michael Jordan was not the captain of basketball's "Dream Team" in 1992 but they managed to win. No one can tell me that England has not qualified for Euro 08 or the Olympics because of their choice for captain. It's a nice honor for a player but means nothing!

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Desmond - DesmondBlog.com — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:00:48 -0000

John Terry - great spirit, leadership and ready to die for a team. Also play in a position that is very easy to lead the team.

However, my captain in my mind is Steven G (inspiring, awesome central midfielder compares to Lamp, Hargreaves, Carrick and Jenas).

I like Owen too, but he got himself injured too much.

Ferdinand cant be the captain. Ever since the 9 months ban on him due to failing a drug test, I hate him despite his great performance. He is not better than Beckham (LA Galaxy captain), John Terry (Chelsea captain) or Stevie G (Liverpool captain)

Again, I think assigning capello as england manager is bullshit. Should have fought for Scolari

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

Nick — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:39:49 -0000

Great character assassination of John Terry. I don't think he should apologise for displaying his passion and commitment (a trademark of many great captains).

And he shouldn't get it because he missed what would have been the deciding penalty in the Champions League final!? Lets forget that he had the balls to step up and take that penalty- and if it wasn't for one slip he would have won Chelsea their first European Cup.

Need i mention that he captained his country at Wembley and scored the opener against USA just ONE WEEK after the champions league final. That is testament to the man that is Englands' born leader.

As for Gerrard, he didn't perform when given the opportunity to captain the side. He didn't pick up the team when that was required. If an injured John Terry would have played against Croatia at Wembley then England would have been represented at the Euros.

Poor predictably biased article, why not try another sport that you might understand a little better? Netball is good at this time of year.

Re: John Terry Should Not Be England’s Captain

David — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:57:11 -0000

I perfectly agree!! Let Gerrard be a captain.