DISQUS

Pedro · 1 year ago

You've got the Manchester teams in the opposite locations. United are in Salford and City are in Manchester.

The Gaffer · 1 year ago

Good catch Pedro. This is now fixed.

Cheers,
The Gaffer

PaulieB · 1 year ago

Spurs fans aren't Cockneys, you have to be born near the peeling of the bow bells. Only the Hammers can truely claim to be Cockneys, east end London.

The Gaffer · 1 year ago

It used to be that way, Paulie. But it has changed to encompass all Londoners now.

Cheers,
The Gaffer

ChrissMari · 1 year ago

um not really...

The Gaffer · 1 year ago

Traditionally, cockneys were born within earshot of the Bow Bells. But according to Wikipedia, The region in which "Cockneys" reside has changed over time, and is no longer the whole of London. As mentioned in the introduction, the traditional definition is that in order to be a Cockney, one must have been born within earshot of the Bow Bells. However, the church of St. Mary-le-Bow was destroyed in 1666 by the Great Fire of London and rebuilt by Sir Christopher Wren. After the bells were destroyed again in 1941 in The Blitz of World War II, and before they were replaced in 1961, there was a period when by this definition no 'Bow-bell' Cockneys could be born. The use of such a literal definition produces other problems, since the area around the church is no longer residential and the noise of the area makes it unlikely that many people would be born within earshot of the bells anymore.

ChrissMari · 1 year ago

wikipedia is not really a good source.

you call a person from bruce grove a cockney and you'll get stabbed.

DoublePivot · 1 year ago

Very interesting Chris. Really enjoyed this.

Fulham is right next to Chelsea, so shouldn't it be west London accent too.

The Gaffer · 1 year ago

Thanks Chris. I was able to find a specific example of someone who lived in Fulham to provide that example. But yes, Chelsea and Fulham are both next door to each other in west London.

Cheers,
The Gaffer

Josh Pedley · 1 year ago

Very enjoyable piece, however i would say as a resident of Stoke-On-Trent all my 23 years on this planet, that guy has totally lost his roots. Not such a bad thing though. I think it is quite easy to lose the potteries accent as its not that strong. A lot of my friends who moved away to university seemed to come back sounding totally different. Only takes a few weeks to correct though.

timmyg · 1 year ago

wow gaffer, to a yank its amazing to actually hear the differences. you always hear of them, but never actually the dialects, intonations, and other dynamics themselves.

i'm sure its out there, but a study of the differing dialects here in the usa (besides the stereotypical new york/nj, boston, and southern accent) would be equally fascinating.

ChrissMari · 1 year ago

in Philadelphia you can tell by neighborhoods..

my ear might be used to micro accents from different English accents.. but it is REALLY pronounced in Philadelphia

patrick · 1 year ago

get yous baggells for the egggelles. wit a cup of wuuder, den over to get a WahhWAHH Hoogey wit a tayysdeykake


ahh I miss delco

patrick · 1 year ago

glad to see that West Ham has taken over all of London. eel pies for the the lot of ya. Cockney is NOT all of London, that is unless your thick and from Newcastle. ( and they include Italians in that as well)


and the only cockneys outside of the east end are maybe in Essex. and i don't mean David.


but the best is calling West Londoners Cockney. You might get run over by a 4x4 or clobbered with a bottle of 1984 French chardonny for sayin that


btw should have had this guy do the examples...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QEm028lKA

Juan · 1 year ago

I'll add my voice (err) to the Cockney debate. The East London (and SW Essex) accent is different from that of the rest of London. To claim that supporters of Arse, Spurs, Chelsea and Fulham are Eastenders is pretty insulting. Don't forget the caste system still exists at some level in the UK...and those living at the East End of London have historically been further down the pecking order.

edd · 1 year ago

hi, the guy doing the east yorkshire accent isnt from hull. he sounds like hes near middlesbrough. hull accent doesnt really sound like anywhere else in yorkshire as there was alot of immigration to hull in the 1800s.