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In the words of José Mourinho’s puppet character on “I’m On Setanta Sports”, shut up, Wenger.
For those of you who haven’t seen the gruesome pictures or seen video, Arsenal front man Eduardo da Silva had his left leg nearly ... Continue reading »
For those of you who haven’t seen the gruesome pictures or seen video, Arsenal front man Eduardo da Silva had his left leg nearly ... Continue reading »
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Did you see the tackle?
http://arseblog.com/1pics/ed1.jpg
How can you defend it?
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I'm not defending the tackle itself; I said it deserved a red card and have no problem with that.
I do have a problem with Wenger coming out and calling for a lifetime ban for a player on another team when he has his own team to worry about. Wenger can be upset and I understand that, but he doesn't need to spout his mouth off.
The tackle itself was bad but as I said, I've seen many of these in the past. Taylor showed remorse immediately after the incident and it isn't like Taylor is a repeat offender who has done this sort of thing before.
1 year ago
Why are you talking about the NHL?
It's a completely different sport, and you're an idiot for bringing it up, a sport which promotes violence and other one that doesn't.
I agree that he won't get a lifetime ban because it's on an Arsenal player, and yes, I'm serious, that's the only reason why he won't be banned for that amount of time.
If it were on Ronaldo or Rooney, the guy would be exiled from the UK, without question.
Sure I'm an Arsenal fan, but I'm a fan of Football more than anything.
So when I speak about this injury I'm trying to picture that it could of happened to anyone.
And if you look at the pictures you see that he's nowhere NEAR the ball, studs up, straight for the leg. Maybe he didn't mean for it to break, but I'm willing to bet he went for an injury.
If a player from my team like Eboue would of broken JT's leg and tackled on purpose, I would be ashamed to have him on my team.
It's clear the writer of the article isn't an Arsenal fan, nor' an Arsene Wenger fan, but it's shit like this from people like you that brings up rivalry and hate twoards each other's teams.
Makes me want to see Ronaldo from your precious Man Utd get fucked up.
Just to see you whine.
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C'mon man, be real.
So if we don't set an example by banning this guy what makes you think that the next guy in a few weeks won't go after a big name such as Ronaldo?
I mean if he only gets a 3 match ban and doesn't have to deal with defending Ronaldo again then shit it's worth it.
1 year ago
I'm not sure how many times I've had to tell you that I'm not a Manchester United fan; they were my preseason picks to win title but I have no significant rooting interest in them.
Fergie's touchline bans are well-deserved, and you won't get an argument there from me. He shouldn't be permitted to abuse officials and when he gets punished for doing so, that's his own fault. The difference is that he doesn't often make comments off the field about things like Wenger does. Ferguson is gracious in defeat and doesn't whine and complain that is team was hard-done if they lose; Wenger blames everyone but himself and his team when Arsenal doesn't get the job done.
I've also said that Arsene Wenger is the best manager in the Premiership; go back to my Mid-season Awards and you'll see that I did just that. He gets the best out of his players and has a great eye for spotting young talent.
Your comment about setting an example is what irks me. You can't make examples out of players to draw a line in the sand, you just can't do that. You can't single him out just so others can see that and modify their behavior. The difference between going after a player like Ronaldo or any other big-names and today's challenge on Eduardo is that Taylor wasn't "going after" the Croatian. He didn't pick him out and say "yes, that's who I want to injure today". If someone makes it obvious that they're trying to injure another player, especially a big name player, then he's going to get more than a three-match ban. Taylor didn't do that.
1 year ago
I wonder what your reaction would be if you were Eduardo. Taylors studs were up and straight into his angle and broke Eduardo's ankle you prat.
Taylor needs to be banned from playing for Birmingham until Eduardo's return's if Eduardo never plays again then so should Taylor whether he has previous form or not.
The best way to avoid this again is to make the sliding tackle an offence therefore if you cannot tackle standing up then tough sh..
I am still gob smacked as to what you have said.
wenger is right and he should be allowed to make a comment.
Anyway Nob Jockey maybe you should be banned from writting such crap
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It was 2:30 into the game, if that tackle didn't break his leg, the one 10 minutes later might have.
I'm sorry but I just don't see how you can show sympathy to someone who goes straight in, not for the ball either, with studs up towards another player.
I'm an Arsenal fan so what I say may reflect a biased opinion. But a 3 match ban for breaking a mans leg? That's ridiculous.
IMO, the video is more in favor of Taylor because the speed makes it look like nothing happened but looking at photos http://www.jutarnji.hr/galerija?galleryId=52htt...
I get a different message.
1 year ago
Sliding challenges will always be allowed at this level and suspensions don't work in the way you mentioned. Taylor can't be banned until Eduardo plays again, things just don't work like that.
Wenger has every right to be upset, but it's wrong for him to call for a lifetime ban, just like many English fans believed it was wrong for Cristiano Ronaldo to plead with the referee to send Rooney off in the 2006 World Cup.
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However, well done Mcleish for trying to defend the indefensible, there is no defense on the planet, he should simply concur with the rest of the universe. That said he can phone his chum Alex and report a job well done.
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Why don't you look at the pictures of the challenge you biased blues wanker!!!
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http://www.index.hr/images2/Taylorsenasmijesio.jpg
it doesn't look that way.
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It’s time this behaviour was sorted out.
If you drive a car recklessly, and injure or kill someone, you go to jail, whether you intended to injure and kill anyone or not.
The FA, referees, and the media have been turning a blind eye to the moronic attitude that Arsenal “don’t like it up ‘em”.
In recent times we have now seen two Arsenal players suffer horrific injuries as a direct result of the FA and referees failing to curb this kind of behaviour.
Eboue got slated for being “reckless” when Terry followed through onto his foot, so where was the condemnation of dan smith for Diaby’s injury, and where is the condemnation for taylor on Eduardo?
Eboue’s was a genuine accident, and wasn’t even reckless, but I bet we’ll hear nothing from the idiots in the FA, the media or from the referees about this.
Wenger revealed the statistics showing the refereeing bias in the EPL last season.
The “authorities” apparently don’t want to hear, because, as we keep getting told, “there are no English players at Arsenal”.
Well, maybe it’s time some legal action is taken against the FA and referees.
Perhaps it’s now time they are MADE to listen?
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As it happens I thing you are 100% wrong and, it seems, a bit of a wanker as well.
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How one can use this incident for an attack on Wenger is beyond me. Of course Taylor won't be banned for life, Wenger's was a moral point made in a very emotional situation.
Even so, I wish commenters would voice their disagreement in a more civilized manner.
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He has a right to be upset but shouldn't speak until personal emotion is out of the way. Calling for a lifetime ban is an extremely serious charge; I can't think of anyone who has been banned for life for a challenge, can you?
This isn't intended to be an attack on Wenger so much as it is a criticism. He has other things to worry about than the punishment of a player on another team who Arsenal won't play again this year and aren't challenging their title run.
It's fine if you all want to disagree with me, you're more than entitled to your opinions. Please try and keep it respectful though; saying you wish someone in my family was injured like this or you wish I myself was injured like this is both childish and classless. If you disagree, OK, but present what you want to say in some sort of organized manner.
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Try, just try, and get it into your skull that that consequences DO dictate punishment.
He was reckless, and whether he inteded to injure the player or not, he HAS to face the consequences of his actions.
To now sit there like some smug village idiot, and claim Wenger is now supposed to "control" himself and not make an "emotional" statement is one the most idiotic things I have EVER heard.
Exactly how stupid are you, jesus wept!
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Your post is ill-considered and seriously unintelligent.
I might suggest that you would be well-served to remove this entry from the net.
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Do you still have this opinion?
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I was a disgusting challenge, and he should be gone for as long as Eduardo is out.
I know there have been others, and I know it may not have been intentional, but when you come in from the front, studs up, and miss the ball that bad, you should be frigg'n gone until the injury heals, if it does.
Maybe then, this kind of sh*t will stop.
Moose
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1. Yeah, he probably should have refused to comment, but he's a human being.
2. Note in this respect that as a coach he's expected to comment both on the telly and in the press conference. That's part of his job description.
3. It's also part of his job description to show leadership. One might interpret this to imply answering questions to the press after matches, although I'm not sure I agree.
"He has other things to worry about than the punishment of a player on another team who Arsenal won’t play again this year and aren’t challenging their title run. "
4. Coming back to the topic of emotionality, I can't blame Wenger for not being able to analyze his team's defensive weaknesses right after the match. I'm sure he'll do so in the coming week.
5. If this were my blog, I'd have deleted most of the above comments for reasons of etiquette. Policy? Software problems? Just curious.
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LemmusLemmus, I would've deleted those comments earlier but was away from my computer. When I came back to see what had been left, I took care of what needed to be done in that respect.
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Otherwise, the message is this: Go ahead, be reckless, destroy a guy's leg, get a three-match ban and move on. Meanwhile, the other guy faces months of grueling rehab in an attempt to get back into shape and form. This is Eduardo's livelihood, his career, how he makes a living.
Players need to know that their reckless actions can impact other peoples' lives. This is not a minor thing. Going in on a tackle like that can end someone's career, in an instant. And if it does, or if it delays it for months on end, there must be ramifications beyond a three-match ban.
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http://www.index.hr/images2/Taylorsenasmijesio.jpg
Surely with enough pressure at least one of the papers would print it, instead of just talking about an 'unfortunate accident' caused by someone who is 'not like that.'
Get well Dudu we'll do all we can for you. I know you're a strong character, you've overcome adversity in the past in your career and you can do the same again. In the meantime lets get him a Championship medal and make sure that filth Taylor does NOT get away with it
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maybe.
Just trying to be harsh...
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You took a fine criticism - that the claim, "Martin Taylor should be banned for life" is false and then redirected it at Wenger. If you were looking to stir up the passions, phrasing like "Shut up, Wenger" and calling him a well established "whiner" are bound to do it. Why take the (appropriate) criticism and instead put it on Wenger? Especially when (a) many people are already angry out of concern for Eduardo's health and (b) the crucial premises are lacking?
Issue (b) is really the one prompting me to post. I've never been clear on why any of us care one whit what managers say to the press. They are not talking for us. They are talking for the guys in the locker room. He was putting forth the anger and spirit the rest of the guys in the locker room probably feel.
If that is irresponsible, well, then, that needs an argument. If the discussion is going to focus on Wenger, and not his claim, we need reasons to think that managers have a responsibility to only come to the press with considered judgments which trumps their responsibility to lead their players.
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A charge can only be made by someone in authority. What Wenger gave was an opinion - and an opinion expressed after seeing a member of his team seriously injured by what looks like a malicious challenge.
Remember, The ref sent the player off immediately - he didn't need to see the aftermath to know that it was more than a mistimed challenge - and the playing staff saw the unedited TV footage so could see just how bad it was before being asked to comment.
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But, Michael the comments were a bit over the line. You can't really criticize a manager for being that upset after seeing that happen.
The greater issue is seeing a great footballer having his career ruined senselessly, not Wenger's comments about it.
To call a studs up challenge with enough force to completely sever someones leg bones "a mis-timed tackle" is absurd.
1 year ago
Eduardo out, we make the World Cup for sure.
Taylor should be knichted!
England always. Up with the Three Lions down with the Frenchy Gooners!
1 year ago
As far as punishment goes, I can't agree on 3 matches being enough. I missed the game live, and I've only seen the immediately before photo of the tackle (just before the break), but it's enough to tell me that's not enough.
I can't say I'm thinking lifetime ban, but if (for example) Eric Cantona's flying kick 13 years ago on a Crystal Palace fan was enough for a 8 month suspension, then this has to be at least that. I'd say it should go longer as the tackle led to an devastating injury with what appeared to be no chance of a play on the ball.
My thought is 16 to 28 months. That would leave him banned for the remainder of this season, all of next season, and, on the high end, another season after that.
There needs to be consequences for these studs out tackles. All they can do is end careers.
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www.thesportsgranola.wordpress.com
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Look what happened during the NBA game in Detroit a few years back, when several Indiana Pacers players went into the stands and attacked the fans, causing almost a full-scale riot. The action started on the court and ended up amongst the fans, and you can't have that. Those players were suspended for long, long periods of time and fully deserved it.
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I'm with Shakira on rest of the season. I've heard people saying "as long as Eduardo is out, Taylor should be out", but again that brings up the lifetime possibility. I threw this season and next out as a middle ground idea. In hindsight, I'd probably stop there instead of going one more like I had said.
I don't know, this whole episode is leaving me down. Thankfully, this is a rare occurance.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_pr...
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There's going to be no answer until Monday at the earliest.
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I think that sums up most people's feelings here. I've tried to say that Wenger shouldn't have commented in the heat of the moment because he was still too attached to what had happened, and Wenger said as much in this article. He has a right to be upset and that's fair, but shouldn't call for such a serious punishment as a lifetime ban without removing himself a little bit from the situation and he was right to say what he said this morning was "excessive".
I think I'll take the word of Steve Bruce, Alex McLeish, and Jon Champion over the word of angry, hostile Arsenal fans any day of the week. Bruce and McLeish have both come out in defense of Taylor and his character, saying he's a gentle person with no ill-will meant in his challenge today.
As I've said, a three-match ban seems appropriate to me, but I could see an additional two matches tacked on as well. He won't be banned for life and rightly so.
As Jeff said, this whole episode is a sad sight and I never want to see anything like I did today again. Luckily this kind of thing is so rare.
Trust me, I'm not trying to be biased against Arsenal or Arsene Wenger, but I am trying to say that Wenger has a tendency to talk before he thinks; his mouth is one step ahead of his brain. He retracted his comments about a lifetime ban and I applaud him for doing so.
I wish all the best to Eduardo da Silva and hope he'll recover quickly
1 year ago
proof that your whole argument is full of it.
look at the guy's grin with eduardo screaming in pain.
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http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=taylor...
taylor being able to play football and supporting his family is not fair when he takes that ability away from someone else.
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I think Taylor should be banned for a season to make a point about tactics that are hurting football. Not because he is a bad person or a dirty athelete.
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Gee, that's bright!
And I suppose Eduardo's ankle just about being severed is not?
Wenger should have "restrained" himself?
but taylor is "a nice gentle guy".
Please get some kind of perspective, your stupidity is mind-boggling", and the fact that you'd "take the word of Steve Bruce, Alex McLeish, and Jon Champion" says rather more about your gullibility and judgement than any intelligence on your part.
I'll say again, this blog entry has marked you as one of the thickest bloggers around, and the fact that you actually are stupid enough to stubbornly leave it out on the web shows a complete lack of judgement and common sense.
As I said, mind-boggling, but perhaps you do need your ankle ripped of to hammer some perspective into that dense skull.
1 year ago
Apparently you fancy yourself as some sort of "journalist" in the same way you believe I am not.
Let me tell you something that every journalist should know:
Speech such as that which you were using in the comments I was forced to delete isn't protected by the First Amendment. Not everything you write applies to the "Freedom of Speech" concepts, there are restrictions to that and when you violate them, I have every right to censor what you say.
Included in those violations:
Obscenity
Profanity
Defamation
Fighting Words doctrine
When you write anything including any of those four things, as well as others that didn't apply in this situation, your freedom of speech isn't protected. What you say doesn't have to be published and is, in fact, punishable by law.
I'm all for a good, lively debate. When it becomes personal and you use profanities, obscenities, and things of that nature, I don't tolerate it and something has to be done to get rid of it.
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If you are caught driving down the street in a reckless manner you are cited for driving without due care.
If you do the same and injure or kill someone, you are cited for reckless endangerment or manslaughter, regardless of intent.
If you run someone over out of malice, then you're just a murderer.
Eduardo has received a career threatening injury, but most people seem to be more concerned with what Wenger said. Wenger was right. Martin Taylor may not have intended to break Eduardo's leg, but there was malice...there was intent. Yeah, football is a contact sport and we all know that Taylor went into that tackle with the intent to get "BALL AND ALL." He went in to inflict pain and send an early message. Thus, the next time Eduardo got the ball he would remember the pain of Taylor's tackle and think twice before running at him again. Well, he got "ALL AND NO BALL." Message received loud and clear.
My assessment is that the challenge was reckless with intent to hurt, but maybe not to injure and that Martin Taylor should not lace up for the rest of the season. Further, even if there was no intent, the tackle was executed with reckless abandon and the penalty should be proportional to the outcome.
Best wishes to Eduardo for a speedy and complete recovery. Both Arsenal and Croatia will sorely miss you.
p.s. - Just in case you haven't seen the multiple compound fracture sustained by Eduardo, take a look...it's just disgusting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3xLzrfioUA
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People were having a full go at Eboue, when terry actually followed through onto Eboue's foot.
Now THAT was an accident and unintentional, but that didn't stop everyone and terry himself having a go at Eboue.
The fact that terry had a go was actually downright despicable considering that he went in on Cesc earlier in the game with very clear intent to hurt and injure Cesc!
Just because we see these tackles every week is not an excuse.
We have now seen the possible consequences.
This has to stop now, not continue to be excused.
1 year ago
I've been a regular reader here and expected more from this site. I will not be coming back.
1 year ago
That photo alone, even without the terrible outcome, shows Taylor knew exactly what he was doing and it was not good.
1 year ago
I told him if I ever see him go in studs up on someone, I would walk right out on the field and drag his a** right off the park.
Ask him yourself. He knows I am not kidding.
Moose
PS
If I see someone do it do him, God help me.
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I'm starting to notice that there is meaner tone to this site lately...
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http://arseblog.com/1pics/ed1.jpg
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no need to hate the best manager in the world, man.