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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  A fascinating account, many thanks.
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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  A further bloated assessment of over hyped underproducing talent. Argentines, with rare exception, follow their english counterparts and come up short on the international stage consistently, both for club and country.
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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  I'll think you'll find anyone who reguarly watches Spanish or Italian football in complete opposition to that statement, 'Argentines, with rare exception,...come up short on the international stage consistently, both for club and country.' - Villarreal's run to the semi-final of the Champions League (the World's best club competition) with a squad dominated with Argentine talent is just one recent example.
  
  
  Added to that, the best four leagues in Europe were won with at least one Argentine in the squad, as was the Uefa Cup and Champions League.
  
  
  
  Enough said.
  
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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  Well I guess if ONE semi final run and a trophy marking you as the 33rd best team in europe is the objective then argies r for you then.
  
  
  I also wouldnt define success as "being on a squad". If you want to examine the impact look at the brasilian exports, they have a far great impact on many more leagues and on many teams, and mainly as the featured set of players. The argies are talented, that wasnt my point, but like england and their over hyped national teams over e past 50 years, en masse, the argies dont live up to it, and 1 semi with a largely dominant argie squad and a speckiling of roster spots througghout europe isnt a smashing success.
  
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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  Yes, let's look at those Brazilian's who adapt so well to European Football, starting with the most famous of them all, Pele...hmmm no, okay but he was outstanding for the New York Metrostars or was it Cosmos in those days I hear you say. And then there was World Cup '94 goal machine Bebeto - no he sunk without a trace, or another world cup winner Kleberson at Manchester United, or maybe the man who was once the most expensive player in the world, Denilson when he played at Betis (now touting himself for a game around clubs like Portsmouth - unsuccessfully) or how about Roque Junior that World Champion, that defender of such prime talent who doubled so successfully as a clown when Leeds United brought him in on loan to solve their defensive crisis.
  
  
  Now let's compare with Argentina and their most famous player, Maradona, yes when he was in Napoli he single handedly won the Serie A...okay but maybe his success was an exception. No because then you remember legends such as Batistuta in Fiorentina, Ardilles at Tottenham, DiStefano and Redondo at Real Madrid and Kempes at Valencia. Javier Zannetti and Esteban Cambiasso in Inter, Veron and Simeone in Lazio, Crespo and Ortega at Parma, Heinze at Manchester United, Aimar and Ayala at Valencia, Sorin and Riquelme at Villareal, Maxi Rodriguez and Sergio Aguero at Atletico Madrid, D'Allesandro in Portsmouth. And now the player who will rival Rooney as the best young player in the world for years to come, Leo Messi at Barcelona.
  
  
  
  No other country apart from possibly France exports more proven players and does so with more success than Argentina.
  
  
  
  The comment about Brazilians is bewildering and shows your very limited World football knowledge - any small European teams ridden with mediocre Brazilians making a big impact on the biggest club stage...no, I didn't think so.
  
  
  
  Brazilian's are notoriously bad imports for their failure to adapt to Europe's weather and culture where as Argentine's are renowned for their versality - Crespo has now become an Italian citizen where as 'Fatty' Ronaldo can't wait to escape back home to the Brazilian league to end his playing days much like his predecessor Romario.
  
  
  
  And come February when the Rio Carnival comes round even 'The Pretty Boy' Ronaldinho disappears back home for a knees up - you may also note that Emerson at Middlesbrough was having such a good time that he disappeared only to emerge a month later.
  
  
  
  Yes, you can list a lot of Brazilians making it big in Europe right now but you can name more who have failed - and more importantly you can name more Argentines plying their trade in the world's biggest leagues and clubs.
  
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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  Look at the WOrld Football PLayer of the year list. Then count the brasilians and then the argentines. Count the World Cups won.
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  Anonymous

  2 years ago

  No one has ever doubted Brazilian talent - just their ability to adapt - what has winning World Cups got anything to do with an individuals ability to move to a new continent and become a success? - Of course players like Ronaldinho, will overcome language and cultural barriers to do it on the big scene but for every Ronaldinho a Denilson, Kleberson, Roque Junior and Alex exists.
  
  
  Your initial comment was that Argentine players come up short consistently for both club and country with rare exception...the statement is wrong...give it up...Brazilian players with rare exception come up short in European club football - fact.
  
  
  
  Argentina exports more footballers to Europe with a better success rate than Brazil and thats the bottom line.
  
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